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#51
Software / Postgres95 SQL
Last post by ptek - Sep 22, 2025, 12:56 PM I'm still working on Sybase Server with NS3.3 but after that will move on to Postgres95 SQL which was built for NS3.3 and not OS4.2 (Although it is open source).
EDIT: This browser (Firefox) is annoying with lists. Both posts where I have used lists (This thread and the speaking UNIX) have been butchered.
EDIT 2: (25-Sep-2025) Added link to SysVIPC which is a requirement for Postgres95.
- https://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/comp/next/postgres95/ (To download the server and client).
- https://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/comp/next/SysVIPC/ (To download SysVIPC which is required by Postgres95
- https://www.mithrandir.com/Postgres/postgres.shtml (To download the EOF Adapter for EOF 1.x and 2.x there is no DatabaseKit adapter).
EDIT: This browser (Firefox) is annoying with lists. Both posts where I have used lists (This thread and the speaking UNIX) have been butchered.
EDIT 2: (25-Sep-2025) Added link to SysVIPC which is a requirement for Postgres95.
#52
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by ZombiePhysicist - Sep 22, 2025, 12:47 PMQuote from: ptek on Sep 21, 2025, 10:32 PMI'm really interested in the Government orders of Next computers and software. Was the hardware maxed out? What was the ratio of developer models to user models.
One might say some of that work was a whole different Echelon of their business.
And there is a lot of inaccurate information in that history. The Watler Isaacson biography is highly inaccurate on apple history as well.
To be fair to the above video maker, if you're just going on the books, there is a lot to get wrong. No NeXT insiders have really spilled the beans about that history.
Whereas the the folklore.org project has done a very good job of it.
Will be interesting to see how this new book does:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/09/22/half-a-century-of-apple-lore-gets-explored-in-david-pogues-new-book
#53
Software / Re: Window Maker Live (Linux d...
Last post by wmlive - Sep 22, 2025, 09:35 AMAn updated ARM64 ISO containing a few improvements and corrections (with special thanks to @jeffburg) has been uploaded to sourceforge.net/projects/wmlive/files/wmlive-bookworm-12.12/aarch64_experimental/, replacing the earlier version.
Nevertheless, the graphical installer must be dispensed with until further notice. As it turned out, when the graphical installer was forced to activate using the kernel parameter DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk, this unexpectedly causes the carefully configured preseed configuration to be simply ignored.
Unfortunately, this is fatal for our purposes, as it means that an absolutely essential comprehensive custom script cannot be executed at the very end of the installation before the first boot.
This certainly warrants opening a bug report at Debian.
Other than that, installation via serial console functions as designed and both the live session and installed system works as normal as can be expected.
Has anyone (apart from @jeffburg) already been able to test the previous ARM64 version and would like to share their thoughts? I am mostly aiming at (preferably negative) feedback from third parties providing a different user perspective than my own.
Nevertheless, the graphical installer must be dispensed with until further notice. As it turned out, when the graphical installer was forced to activate using the kernel parameter DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gtk, this unexpectedly causes the carefully configured preseed configuration to be simply ignored.
Unfortunately, this is fatal for our purposes, as it means that an absolutely essential comprehensive custom script cannot be executed at the very end of the installation before the first boot.
This certainly warrants opening a bug report at Debian.
Other than that, installation via serial console functions as designed and both the live session and installed system works as normal as can be expected.
Has anyone (apart from @jeffburg) already been able to test the previous ARM64 version and would like to share their thoughts? I am mostly aiming at (preferably negative) feedback from third parties providing a different user perspective than my own.
#54
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by hypertalking - Sep 22, 2025, 08:01 AMQuote from: ptek on Sep 21, 2025, 10:32 PMI'm really interested in the Government orders of Next computers and software. Was the hardware maxed out? What was the ratio of developer models to user models.
Totally! What were they doing on them? Presumably lots of custom software
#55
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by hypertalking - Sep 22, 2025, 07:45 AMWhilst I agree that the listing out of every 90s Macintosh model is maybe over emphasising the point of the mess apple was in, I believe the point of the video isn't just a history of NeXT, but the history of NeXT viewed through the lense of Apple's journey to OS X, which the title of the video does imply. Also the channel name does also I think make it clear that their videos are going to go into a lot of depth. It's a shame about a few inaccuracies but again the video's author also acknowledges several times that they won't have got everything right.
#56
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by jeffburg - Sep 22, 2025, 12:08 AMYeah, actually after I posted this I watched it and I was also disappointed in how long he spent talking about Apple being lost with its model line up. I feel that was like 40 minutes and was totally not needed. I think the Avie Tevanien interview I posted in this channel is actually a better next history than this thing was.
#57
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by ptek - Sep 21, 2025, 10:32 PMI'm really interested in the Government orders of Next computers and software. Was the hardware maxed out? What was the ratio of developer models to user models.
#58
General Discussion / Re: Logged in with Windows XP ...
Last post by ptek - Sep 21, 2025, 10:24 PMQuote from: jeffburg on Sep 16, 2025, 01:52 PMnot sure if we should start a separate thread, but I loaded the forums in my iMac G4 running Mac OS X Leopard and here are the results.I think it might be best if you started your own thread my reasoning being that if someone else was using a iMac G4 with MacOS X Leopard then they would click your thread and know what browser you are using and if there are any problems instead of seeing it hidden at the bottom of a Win XP thread.
#59
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by Rhetorica - Sep 21, 2025, 07:30 PMGoing over these with scrutiny... there are definitely a few imperfections here and there in the material. Like most NeXT histories written by Apple enthusiasts, more than half the runtime is taken up by the fruit company. It's a damn shame that he just wrote off the NeXT's really good productivity software as though it didn't exist—the only software he ever really mentions is WWW and the id games.
In the first part, he also repeats the erroneous claim that Wolfenstein was developed on NeXT hardware, even though John Romero's autobiography ("Doom Guy") makes it very clear that they only got the machines in while production on the last three episodes (Nocturnal Missions) was wrapping up... and everyone who's actually worked with Wolf 3-D tools will tell you up and down that the level editor, TED, is a DOS program! (It was used on basically every id game and id-licensed game prior to Doom, with its last title being Rise of the Triad.) I've corrected another essayist on this topic before—maybe he sourced that article before it was fixed.
Eventually I'd like to pen a Definitive NeXT History essay (or possibly wiki) that goes through events that happened inside the NeXT ecosystem and community year by year, without constantly switching over to an Apple storyline. @Protocol 7 has definitely accumulated enough notes from trawling Usenet to make this seem tractable.
In the first part, he also repeats the erroneous claim that Wolfenstein was developed on NeXT hardware, even though John Romero's autobiography ("Doom Guy") makes it very clear that they only got the machines in while production on the last three episodes (Nocturnal Missions) was wrapping up... and everyone who's actually worked with Wolf 3-D tools will tell you up and down that the level editor, TED, is a DOS program! (It was used on basically every id game and id-licensed game prior to Doom, with its last title being Rise of the Triad.) I've corrected another essayist on this topic before—maybe he sourced that article before it was fixed.
Eventually I'd like to pen a Definitive NeXT History essay (or possibly wiki) that goes through events that happened inside the NeXT ecosystem and community year by year, without constantly switching over to an Apple storyline. @Protocol 7 has definitely accumulated enough notes from trawling Usenet to make this seem tractable.
#60
General Discussion / Re: Great NeXT History on Yout...
Last post by hypertalking - Sep 21, 2025, 07:07 PMYep enjoying this. Watching in 10 minute chunks when my kids let me have some time to myself!