Hi.
Managed to login with Windows XP Pro (SP3) - Firefox 52.90 (ESR) on IBM Thinkpad T43 (2005). Had to use library Wifi connection as it is faster than the one (Wifi at accommodation) I normally use.
I will write my problems in this post as this is the Machine I'm logging in with.
When I hit Reply like I'm doing now, I only see the top layer of tools i.e B,I,U,s,x^2,x_2 .... I don't see any smiley faces on the next row.
After the top menu is the text box that I'm typing in and straight under that is the bottom half of a black rectangle same width as the text box about 10 pixels underneath it. I'm guessing this is the bottom half of the upload section as when I bring up developer tools and search for "upload" and hover over it the bottom half rectangle is highlighted. I tried typing "smf_fileUpload()" in the console but the js function didn't exist.
I don't know what to do in the post_attachments_area as I am not a html wizard.
<div id="post_attachments_area" class="roundframe noup">
So Quick Reply doesnt let you post images. You either have to hit the REPLY button or the Preview Button to get you to the full edit screen that has the "Click or drag files here to attach them" bar at the bottom of the edit screen.
I wish the "Preview" button would say "Full Edit" instead so as to make clear it's different from the quick edit.
Quote from: ZombiePhysicist on Sep 15, 2025, 03:27 AMSo Quick Reply doesnt let you post images. You either have to hit the REPLY button or the Preview Button to get you to the full edit screen that has the "Click or drag files here to attach them" bar at the bottom of the edit screen.
I wish the "Preview" button would say "Full Edit" instead so as to make clear it's different from the quick edit.
Yes that is what I have been clicking on before. I was clicked the "
Reply" button for the above message and then I clicked "
Preview". I normally click "Preview" to make sure the message is correct.
I'm using the Library computer at the moment and I can now see the text "
Click or drag files here to attach them." The text "Click or drag files here to attach them." does not show up on my laptop with Windows XP only the bottom of the rectangle as mentioned in the post above.
I see the upload button for a split second before this text box covers it. I managed to hit browse but this text box covered the box so I couldn't hit upload after attaching it, grrh.
The upload field isn't normally a button:
(https://i.imgur.com/esgchUo.png)
...so I'm guessing the JavaScript is going nuts about that.
I have found some things that might help your pain, though.
First, there's a slightly newer revision of Firefox 52.9 that came out a few months later: https://archive.org/details/firefox52.9.1esr — presumably just security fixes.
Second, there's a fork of Firefox 68 for XP—no idea if it's new enough to support the fancy-schmancy file upload field though: https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal68
Third, if all else fails, there's Supermium (currently based on Chromium version 132): https://github.com/win32ss/supermium
I managed to solve this problem.
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- I visit this site with FireFox to get the PHPSESID (Because Newmoon Browser brings up a error when clicking on "Login:")
- I then login with Newmoon Browser using the URL I got from firefox.
- Upload file via Newmoon.
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I'm glad my tech skills are OK, if I was a n00b I would be f**ked. Just need to find a way to get faster WIFI speeds :D
not sure if we should start a separate thread, but I loaded the forums in my iMac G4 running Mac OS X Leopard and here are the results.
Quote from: jeffburg on Sep 16, 2025, 01:52 PMnot sure if we should start a separate thread, but I loaded the forums in my iMac G4 running Mac OS X Leopard and here are the results.
I think it might be best if you started your own thread my reasoning being that if someone else was using a iMac G4 with MacOS X Leopard then they would click your thread and know what browser you are using and if there are any problems instead of seeing it hidden at the bottom of a Win XP thread.
Alternatively we could retitle this thread to just cover the spectrum of all browsing experiences?
@jeffburg How does it look now? I think I have a few of the problems with table headers sorted out, and I'm pretty sure that's no longer the current board header.
@Rhetorica here is Tiger and Snow Leopard view. Not looking great, but not sure if its really possible to tbh
Yes
@Rhetorica you can rename the thread to something better where people with older browsers can post their results.
I've logged in with New Moon browser V28.10.7a1 (32-bit) (2025-06-27) running on Windows XP Pro (SP3) 32-bit and I can successfully upload files with this browser.
@Rhetorica I got my iMac G4 backup and running so I was able to test the browser again. I also installed AquaFox which is one of the maintained forks of the now defunct TenFourFox. Note I disabled Javascript in both browsers to help with loading performance.
AquaFox looks great!
@jeffburg,
@jeffburg, and
@jeffburg: I've investigated the source for this and it looks like the issue is that SMF uses a flexbox (https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/) to display thread lists, which is a CSS3 technology that was first introduced in 2017. Disabling the
display: flex rule produces a similar effect on a modern browser:
rough-layout.png
I'm not 100% sure
why they did this—thread lists are the
quintessential example of non-data content that is appropriate to lay out with a table. (I have my theories, though. The people who do SMF's frontend code are a bunch of unkind stereotypes who left 20-year-old memes in the CSS files. They're presumably very fad-prone.)
It will take a fair bit of tinkering to fix (because of all the side effects of switching from divs to tables) and it'll definitely screw up the updatability of the forums, but I'll get it sorted as soon as I can!