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#21
Software / Re: MathEdit for OpenStep now ...
Last post by wmlive - Nov 13, 2025, 07:23 PMApproaching the last development stages for the release of wmlive-trixie, i've made an attempt to package GNUstep based MathEdit as a debian package for inclusion. In the absence of any release tarball i created some kind of wrapper package to download the current sources from github and using that for compilation.
There are a few things that i'd like to suggest changing on the github side of things:
Unfortunately, the GNUstep based version of MathEdit is not very stable and easily crashes, for example sometimes when closing an open document. This might be rather an issue with the GNUstep libraries than MathEdit itself. In any case, someone knowledgable with GNUstep development would have to debug and stabilize the code before considering an actual release.
At the current state of affairs, i don't think it would be recommendable to release unstable Linux binaries of MathEdit with wmlive.
There are a few things that i'd like to suggest changing on the github side of things:
- It would be great if all those screenshots, videos, and binaries for multiple platforms could be provided separately from the actual source code. We are speaking of a git clone volume of over 300 MB versus about less than 10 MB for the actual source code.
- Additionally, it would be much preferable if a tarball with some proper version number could be made available. Currently, i am using 0.${git-commit} as a crude versioning scheme for the package.
Unfortunately, the GNUstep based version of MathEdit is not very stable and easily crashes, for example sometimes when closing an open document. This might be rather an issue with the GNUstep libraries than MathEdit itself. In any case, someone knowledgable with GNUstep development would have to debug and stabilize the code before considering an actual release.
At the current state of affairs, i don't think it would be recommendable to release unstable Linux binaries of MathEdit with wmlive.
#22
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by ptek - Nov 11, 2025, 12:28 AM #23
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by ptek - Nov 11, 2025, 12:23 AMFor NS3.3 installation you have to load a SCSI driver for the cdrom first before loading the EIDE driver twice this is because there was a mistake with the /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table file as it requires a SCSI driver to be loaded first.
I would recommend the SCSI driver over EIDE for speed purposes. Is there a reason for the EIDE driver as it seems the ATAPI driver shits the bed as it is on hc1.
The ATAPI driver is old and I think is ATAPI V2 compliant it is in one of the NeXT answers. I'm using my phone so my answer is not that great
I would recommend the SCSI driver over EIDE for speed purposes. Is there a reason for the EIDE driver as it seems the ATAPI driver shits the bed as it is on hc1.
The ATAPI driver is old and I think is ATAPI V2 compliant it is in one of the NeXT answers. I'm using my phone so my answer is not that great
#24
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by jeffburg - Nov 10, 2025, 11:17 PMYeah, all the drive settings panels look the same :-/
#25
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by Protocol 7 - Nov 10, 2025, 10:38 PMIf the checkbox is anywhere it would be in the Drive 2 settings as that's where it would matter. But I guess they're all the same?
It might not be needed for OS42 as there's no mention of this in the guide I found for VPC6. I just remember it being required for Rhapsody in conjunction with the dual-channel IDE controller.
It might not be needed for OS42 as there's no mention of this in the guide I found for VPC6. I just remember it being required for Rhapsody in conjunction with the dual-channel IDE controller.
#26
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by jeffburg - Nov 10, 2025, 03:21 PMHere is the settings window. You can see it's quite minimal. I am not shocked because version 7 is the first release after Microsoft acquired Connectix. I imagine they tried to simplify things and streamline for the main use case, which was running Windows XP. I also tried running with 32MB and 24MB of ram as suggested in the article but it made no difference.
So I will try VPC6 sometime soon and see if it improves things. I have a feeling that if I can get it installed with VP6, then it will boot from the hard drive fine (after all the patches are installed) in VPC 7.
So I will try VPC6 sometime soon and see if it improves things. I have a feeling that if I can get it installed with VP6, then it will boot from the hard drive fine (after all the patches are installed) in VPC 7.
#27
General Discussion / Video: Why the Original Apple ...
Last post by jeffburg - Nov 10, 2025, 03:27 AMWhile this video only makes a brief mention of NeXT, it is a fascinating re-telling of the history of the Apple IBM Motorola (AIM) alliance that brought PowerPC Macs to the market and kept Apple fighting long enough to acquire NeXT, bring out OSX, and eventually give up and switch to Intel (something that only OSX and NeXTStep were technically capable of)
#28
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by jeffburg - Nov 10, 2025, 12:58 AM@Protocol 7 thanks so much for the article! Worst case scenario is I have 10.2.8 installed on this iMac. So I can install VPC 6 and get it all set up. Once it boots I am pretty certain it will work in VP7 in 10.5.8. Unfortunately, I ran out of time this weekend... but I will definitely try next weekend!
#29
General Discussion / Re: The Definitive Guide to sp...
Last post by Rhetorica - Nov 09, 2025, 10:02 PMOddly enough, that guide has some errors!
- "NextStep" was the de facto name at first and even appears on Steve's slides during the NeXT Introduction.
- IBM actually did port NS 1.0 to AIX, but Steve wanted more money for 2.0 and they (sensibly) pulled out. This was when IBM and Microsoft were still teammates on the OS/2 project and barely made sense business-wise, but had it lasted longer it might have been a very interesting rival to CDE/Motif.
- The "NeXTSTEP" stylization did indeed die off during the transition to NeXT Software, but the versions listed are wrong; it was around from 2.0 to 3.1PR1. 3.1 final (the first x86-capable version) was all-caps.
- No one called it MachOS! It's just "OPENSTEP for Mach".
- "OPENSTEP for Windows" is actually called "OPENSTEP Enterprise," or OSE. There were also HPUX and Solaris versions of OSE, the latter of which is not to be confused with Sun's OpenStep for Solaris 1.0/1.1.
Detailed list of version and product names here, of course: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bjpLWLxp6j891Nu8u6NzvwnpN5_NuUAJei283JVrW7U/edit?gid=0#gid=0
- "NextStep" was the de facto name at first and even appears on Steve's slides during the NeXT Introduction.
- IBM actually did port NS 1.0 to AIX, but Steve wanted more money for 2.0 and they (sensibly) pulled out. This was when IBM and Microsoft were still teammates on the OS/2 project and barely made sense business-wise, but had it lasted longer it might have been a very interesting rival to CDE/Motif.
- The "NeXTSTEP" stylization did indeed die off during the transition to NeXT Software, but the versions listed are wrong; it was around from 2.0 to 3.1PR1. 3.1 final (the first x86-capable version) was all-caps.
- No one called it MachOS! It's just "OPENSTEP for Mach".
- "OPENSTEP for Windows" is actually called "OPENSTEP Enterprise," or OSE. There were also HPUX and Solaris versions of OSE, the latter of which is not to be confused with Sun's OpenStep for Solaris 1.0/1.1.
Detailed list of version and product names here, of course: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bjpLWLxp6j891Nu8u6NzvwnpN5_NuUAJei283JVrW7U/edit?gid=0#gid=0
#30
Virtualization / Re: OpenStep on VirtualPC 7
Last post by Protocol 7 - Nov 09, 2025, 06:13 PMIt had at one point as I was using VPC on Mac to run Rhapsody. But that was VPC 4 or maybe 5. I can't find any images online that show this option. I just remember it was a checkbox probably in the IDE controller setup.
I did find this guide for installing OS4.2 in VPC6. Might work for you.
I did find this guide for installing OS4.2 in VPC6. Might work for you.